Yahoo Tom!!
This is awesome. Even tho U build bikes there at 4130inc that look almost too beautiful to touch, I am humbled that U want to help keep this gorgeousold warrior on the road!!
I spoke to Jim Spillane (on the cc), the guy who remanufactured this bike, of which only 30 or so others are still known to exist from back in the day (1890-1891) and none but the ones he made are even worthy of the road anymore. Jim sez go ahead and tig it. He sez that that wheel is overbuilt. That just as the spokes are supposed to be loose, we can't hold other modern day bike standards to it. That it's double wall as U saw and each spoke (72) could easily hold an average size man aloft quite readily.
However, here is where it gets sticky, Jim does not want me or anyone pulling the wheel out of the three stays on either side of the wheel. Over the last couple of decades, he has never seen anyone be able to get them realigned properly; that they always end up back in his shop (all the way back in CT). I mean we're talking a world class engineer/machinist here who had to make the tools to make the tools required for him to build the exact replica that this bike is.
And then I just spoke to Jeff Kistler, most arguably one of the top bike mechanics in the nation, and he told me to ask you if you could do the welds piecemeal. Say in 1/4 of the wheel sections? Jeff does not want to lose the spoke pattern when he rebuilds the wheel.
So can you work with all those gotchas?
THX 4 all of U!!
btw: Dick Ryan, and Jan Van der Tuin, two of the many masters U years ago studied under are on the cc with a lot of other leading edge engineers from all over the US. Of note, also, I just added the esteemed Jobst Brandt, author of the perennial best seller, "The Bicycle Wheel"..
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Tom Schoeniger <tschoeniger@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Martin,I got your message today, but couldnt listen to the whole thing because I was at work. If you could strip the wheel down to just the rim and strip the paint, I would help weld it up. We could discuss wraping it in fiber, I use resins and fiber cloth at work. Give me a call this weekend and we can figure something out.T
From: hiwheeler@gmail.com
To: tschoeniger@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Eagle Wheel Pronounced Dead :(
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:18:21 -0800
CC: spoke123@aol.comI think it is ! Wow. Would u be willing? And then add A layer of carbon fiber? Sent from my iPhoneMartin Krieg"Awake Again" Author'79 & '86 TransCon cyclist2010 on Eagle w/Busycle & Bookhttp://www.BikeRoute.com/HBGRComa, Paralysis, Clinical DeathSurvivor. NBG Founding DirectorHiWheel Cyclist
On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Tom Schoeniger <tschoeniger@hotmail.com> wrote:Hey Martin,Is it possible to just solder all the cracks? Let me know if I can help in any way. I would suggest trying to get a rim manufacturer to do a special rim AKA Velocity as a promotion, its worth a shot. Let me know if I can help.Tom> From: hiwheeler@gmail.com
> To: hiwheeler@gmail.com
> Subject: Eagle Wheel Pronounced Dead :(
> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:47:12 -0800
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> > After Tom Schoeniger's skillful tig welding job and after Jim
> > Spillane master crafted a dozen new spokes for this machine I have
> > the honor and genuine privilege of riding, it was decided today
> > that the wheel is just too far gone. Tom warned about this but ever
> > the optomist I thought there had to be someone out there who could
> > reinforce all the many cracks and other fissures that Tom had begun
> > to spot.
> >
> > And yes it is fixable! But by whom? Throw the question of liability
> > into the equation and not even the Machinist of the Impossible, Matt
> > Christe, is willing to take it on. This we found out today. Ugh....
> >
> > When Jeff Kistler came by to help me overcome the road block of a
> > few spokes that were not catching their spoke nipple threads, he
> > wanted Matt to get a look before he did anything. Jeff did not like
> > the look of some of the damage he was seeing. We loaded the bike
> > into Jeff'a truck and he took it to San Mateo while I kept my appt
> > with a results getting business consultant who wants to help with
> > our ride. More on that as it develops.
> >
> > So the heart and soul of my ride is dead. But Matt, who helped me
> > get the bike ready last Spring, and who was a feared bike racer
> > back in the 70's, said he will help me any way he can. Ditto for
> > Jeff, my
> > Two Wheel Savior, who says he will rebuild it. And Jim is even
> > looking thru his stock of parts back in his frozen CT factory to see
> > if he can come up with the 50 inch, 72 spoke rim we need..
> >
> > Fingers crossed. Asking as well for spirit to intervene. And u can
> > help just by sending all these guys your gratitude.
> >
> > Thx 4 all of u !
> >
> Martin Krieg
> "Awake Again" Author
> '79 & '86 TransCon cyclist
> 2010 on Eagle w/Busycle & Book
> http://www.BikeRoute.com/HBGR
> Coma, Paralysis, Clinical Death Survivor. NBG Founding Director
> HiWheel Cyclist
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